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The Older Gentleman

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:22 am
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nomorespameventhoughthejapanesespamgivesmeachuckle
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> I'm almost positive that this bike has ignition points,

It does.

>which I know
> nothing about, so I'll have to do some research on this. What is the
> housing for the ignition points called?

Points housing, spookily enough.


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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:24 am
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> FB <flying_booger RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I am positive that your bike has ignition points,
>
> <snip>
>
> It does. Two sets, on the left-hand end of the camshaft.
>
> It also has a 180 degree crank. Honda never fitted a 360 degree crank to
> the CB250/350/360 series. They fitted one to some smaller twins - the
> 175/200 series.
>
> If you have a manual for a Honda 305, it's for a totally different bike.

If you have the details of what the timing marks are on the alternator
rotor, then post them. They are probably the same. T, F, LT, LF, and
some punch marks for the full advanced timing.

And, can he adjust the left hand cylinder timing without messing with
the left hand points gap?

Ignition timing works the same way, though. The points plate and the
alternator rotor with the timing marks are just on the OTHER side of
the engine from the original series of Honda twins.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:46 pm
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FB <flying_booger.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> nomorespameventhoughthejapanesespamgivesmeachuckle wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm almost positive that this bike has ignition points, which I know
> > nothing about, so I'll have to do some research on this.
>
> I am positive that your bike has ignition points,

<snip>

It does. Two sets, on the left-hand end of the camshaft.

It also has a 180 degree crank. Honda never fitted a 360 degree crank to
the CB250/350/360 series. They fitted one to some smaller twins - the
175/200 series.

If you have a manual for a Honda 305, it's for a totally different bike.




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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:32 pm
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FB <flying_booger RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you have the details of what the timing marks are on the alternator
> rotor, then post them. They are probably the same. T, F, LT, LF, and
> some punch marks for the full advanced timing.

I had a CJ250 - as you say, the next development of the engine. That had
those marks, and AFAIK they're common to most Hondas of the era.

>
> And, can he adjust the left hand cylinder timing without messing with
> the left hand points gap?

Yes, on that bike, you can, IIRC.

Ther one you *definitely* can't is the 450/500.


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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:16 am
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John Johnson <null.RemoveThis@invalid.com> wrote:

> I suppose you that if you could find a platinum plug (one of those 100k
> mile ones) with the right dimensions you could look for an adhesive
> suitable for gluing it in permanently. I'm sure such an adhesive exists
> (or could be made), but I don't know what it is. Whatever it is, it
> needs to stick to steel and aluminum, not to drip, be conductive, resist
> the relevant temperatures, etc. I'd start with aircraft specialty supply
> places, I guess.

Don't even think about it.


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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:55 pm
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In article
<1hhkxa4.1of0918ffnl6oN%chateau.murraySPAMKILL@dsl.pipex.com>,
chateau.murraySPAMKILL.TakeThisOut@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

> John Johnson <null.TakeThisOut@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > I suppose you that if you could find a platinum plug (one of those 100k
> > mile ones) with the right dimensions you could look for an adhesive
> > suitable for gluing it in permanently. I'm sure such an adhesive exists
> > (or could be made), but I don't know what it is. Whatever it is, it
> > needs to stick to steel and aluminum, not to drip, be conductive, resist
> > the relevant temperatures, etc. I'd start with aircraft specialty supply
> > places, I guess.
>
> Don't even think about it.

That was supposed to be a joke, but I only remembered the smiley _after_
posting. So, for the record, the above is an incredibly stupid idea, as
ToG implies. Don't do it.

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:31 am
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Do you have to stock pipes? Stock on a '68 and '69 CL350 are 2 into 1
with a single muffler. there are two outlets on the muffler, but you
can plug one completely and exhaust from both cylinders will come out
the unplugged pipes. Because of this, it can be hard to tell if both
cylinders are actually firing evenly. The stock '68 and '69 2 into 1
pipes are less restrictive, a bit louder and have more power than the
later 2 into 2.

I wouldn't worry about trying to find air filters like the ones you
described they aren't the stock one anyway. They sound more like the SL
filters. I'd just get anything that will fit. You may have to re-jet
though.

The idle jet on the CV carbs on this bike is very small. The whole jets
screws out with a slot screw driver, and the passage is miniscule. If
you can't see through it, it's not clean. A very very thin wire can
help clear it.

On carb adjustment, the Haynes manual says to adjust the idle screws
until it's idling from 1000 to 1200 and the pressure is equal in both
pipes, then turn one carb's mixture in or out until the rpms are as
high as they will go. Reset the idle speed, then adjust the mixture in
the other carb the same way, and adjust the idle speed one last time.

The spark plugs should only be torqued to 12 lbs. Thread them by hand
so you don't strip them out.

Did you check compression in both cylinders?
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